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[#][F] RichT - 7/28/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post

I'm well aware. And my perception is that this situation has caused a number of issues for Exalted.

Apologies, I missed that distinction. Mostly because it doesn't really matter to what I'm saying here.

You apparently didn't pay the Ex3 writers enough to have the right to expect professionalism. Unsurprisingly, the resulting book took years longer than you expected it to. In fact, it's still not fully out. I suspect that your lousy employment practices are partially responsible, and that treating your employees a bit better would've helped a lot.

The time constraints are a direct result of not being paid enough to spend less time on other jobs.
You really, really seem to be uninterested in learning anything and only in whatever bad information has gotten lodged in your craw. There's no point in my continuing to try and explain the reality of any of this to you. Later.

[#][F] RichT - 7/27/2016
No, a pay bump on EX3 itself was part of the EX3 KS. Twice I think, in fact. Rates are ongoing things that apply across the company for all the work a freelancer does.

If a freelancer posts that their pay rate caused problems with delivering a project, that's their legitimate personal take on a situation. When we say that there is a difference between full-time creative staffs and teams of freelancers that are doing their RPG work as a second or third job (which is most of our folks), and this can cause problems, pay rates are not usually the issue. Usually it is available time.

[#][F] RichT - 7/27/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post

Not unnecessary? Are you seriously trying to tell me that Exalted needs a music suite?

I'm always hearing about how you guys don't have enough money to pay people decently. Well, you'd have more money if you didn't waste it. And then you could pay people better. And then you'd get better work out of them.
Again, not a waste of money if it allows other people other ways to access Exalted 3rd and they begin buying the books. No Stretch Goal is for everyone, the idea is to create a series of projects that appeal to more than one type of person who might enjoy Exalted 3rd.

And again, we pay our creative folks what we can afford to pay (which is better than most in this business) on a company-wide level, not per book. A single Kickstarter does not enable everyone to get raises. So the Stretch Goals have not a thing to do with our pay rates. And our pay rates have not a thing to do with how Exalted 3rd has been handled, nor how the supplements are going.

I didn't hire Holden and John because they were cheap, I hired them because they had (and still have) a vision for how to recreate Exalted that I agreed with and believe in. Some truly awful life events have smashed into their efforts to bring that vision to everyone through the projects they are working on, but they are still committed to getting on top of the work needed to delivering the upcoming books.

[#][F] RichT - 7/27/2016
As I already said, said Stretch Goal rewards are not unnecessary and not something that alters what folks can and do get paid.

[#][F] RichT - 7/27/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post
Looking at D&D editions and Exalted editions, I think the last three D&D edition changes were each about as significant as the E2-E3 change.

Dunno. It was a while ago, and not really worth remembering much about.

I do pay attention to the buzz online, and if anything I think those side projects have hurt your image. I rarely hear them discussed and when I do it's always negative.

As for providing work to more have a responsibility to the people you hire, but that doesn't mean you have a responsibility to hire people. And hiring more people to work on more projects does little or nothing to alleviate the inevitable issues that you get when your workers are underpaid and under-supported.

Might be worth your while to read the finished version, rather than basing your concerns off the first version we sent out expecting commentary that would provide errata and other changes.

Our "workers" are paid better than most folks in the tabletop RPG business, although not everyone. As we continue to grow, we hope to change that. But the reality remains that no one can pay their creative crew more than the books are making in sales, and it is vital to keep all the costs in making our books within the scope of the earnings for those books, or we go under like so many RPG companies have in the past.

[#][F] RichT - 7/27/2016
Sorry you didn't like the fiction anthology. Did you read the final product or just the initial backer PDF?

As for other uses of the extra KS monies that we devoted to extra projects, one project, even one as successful as the EX3 KS, does not create a "living wage" scenario. But, by adding those projects, those projects provided additional freelance work for many more creators. In addition, those varied projects help us spread the word about the game line, and thus may help create a wider audience, better sales, and increased pay rates as a result.

[#][F] RichT - 7/27/2016
So you're speaking specifically about the Stretch Goals from the EX3 Kickstarter? Those were included and set up to add more interest to the KS and to add projects to the EX3 line-up we could not afford to create without the KS extra funds. We also gave the creative team at least two pay bumps during the KS, precisely to help out and share the success with our writers. To address your "living wage" concern, it takes a lot of steady, constant, and fast, writing to bring in what most people would consider a living wage in the tabletop RPG business. The income and profit margins are incredibly slim.

[#][F] RichT - 7/27/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post
I was there when they tried that. There was a lot of complaining and arguing, but it was much better than the rancid state of the forums during the long stretch with no content.

Anyway, I think we're getting about as much project management competence as we can reasonably expect from two untrained twenty-somethings doing this as a second job for less than minimum wage. I'm inclined to blame these problems on Onyx Path spending its money on bad short fiction and comics and such instead of on hiring people properly.
Not getting your point here. Please explain your comment about short fiction and comics.

[#][F] RichT - 5/10/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post
I heard a rumour that Maria was working for free. Anyone know if that's true?
Absolutely untrue.

[#][F] RichT - 4/29/2016
To begin with, the OP was not an Onyx Path press release, it was John posting because he is excited about the project. If you are new here, you might not realize that when John is excited he tends to post in a way that shares that excitement. (Although I am puzzled why anyone who has been around these forums for a few years would be surprised or put off by his posting style. John has posted like this for years.) So how about we lay off his posting style and reasonably discuss the content of what he posted, like whether the info excites you or causes concerns?

[#][F] RichT - 4/19/2016
Originally posted by Iron Phoenix View Post
RichT - can we get some sort of commitment towards ongoing support and errata for EX3? I think the system, overall, is great. It needs some polish around the edges. If you can tell me it's going to receive that, that's all the assurance I need to be in line to buy future 3E books. All of the drama and delays in the Kickstarter are secondary concerns to putting out a good product.
I'll talk to the Devs. First thing, though, check out the updated Final PDF when it updates in your library on DTRPG tomorrow afternoon and see if they haven't clarified any of those points you listed. Thanks!

[#][F] RichT - 4/19/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post

"...if I am going to continue to share the progress, or lack thereof depending on the week and topic, of the EX3 book and line, then change must happen in different ways in order that these forums be a place where folks can once again feel like they can read and participate in interesting discussions about the game we all love"

sounds like a threat, or perhaps an excuse, to me. And yes, I read the context. I know it was followed by the plans for stricter moderation.

But when I consider the sheer number of updates you missed, it really does feel like you were trying to rescind your promises once they became unpleasant.

I have some experience with this sort of thing. I know it hurts. But that's why you get paid, man.


But if they need to do stuff like that to feel safe, then I'm not gonna think very highly of them or their work.

I'm not blaming you specifically, actually. I only vaguely know who you are.

I'm annoyed with the way Onyx Path has handled Exalted. Which includes the behaviour of its hirelings.

Well, that's your choice. It makes me think less of you, though.

Not insulting, mistreating.

And I know. You're not gonna get the issues out of me, because I don't have any right to talk about 'em. I didn't even want to mention them, but they're necessary context for my opinions.

Don't be sorry, just edit the post. And pay more attention when you get complaints about mod action, or tell whoever has that job to pay more attention.
Wow. So much here that explains where you're coming from. I hope you can find something in the upcoming EX3 projects to enjoy.

[#][F] RichT - 4/19/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post

No, that's not the problem.

The problem is that you made weekly updates contingent on people following the forum rules, as if the promises you made to your customers could be rescinded because following through on them became unpleasant.

Cutting playtesters to curb the leaks was, not to put too fine a point on it, daft.

When I first heard about it it didn't seem so unreasonable, but having thought about it some...your desire for secrecy turned into something really unhealthy.

It lowered my opinion of everyone involved, including you guys.

I guess I missed that. This is probably another one of those "the way Holden posts" problems.

Funny thing is, I've gotten along fine with him on the rare occasions that we've talked. But watching the way he treats other people is not pleasant.

Named names. It's ridiculous that, after a breach of trust like that, you covered for the perpetrator(s).

Not just you.

But yeah, I know. I only brought it up because you asked specifically.


I may have been wrong, but it absolutely wasn't a lie. This is something I take pretty seriously.

I'd rather you get them to behave better without firing them. If that's not possible...I dunno. Maybe I am blaming OP for not firing them. Or maybe not. Depends on what your other options are like.

Regardless, seeing that stuff made me think less of your company. Fairly or not, it had that effect on me.
The forum post: It wasn't a threat to stop the weekly Updates, it was a rationale for why we were going to hold the Exalted forum to the same standards as the rest of the forums. Evey week it felt like I was setting myself and the creators up for more abuse. Do you have any idea what that does to people, how it grinds them down? It is clear within what our announced plans for proceeding ahead that we were NOT stopping my Updates but RATHER we were going to moderate heavier than traditionally had been done.

The leak response: As I said here and on the EX3 Update comments, the developers have to make the call they need to make after this sort of thing because they are the ones creating the book. You can find it daft, but they need to be able to create in an environment that encourages creativity, not one where they feel threatened.

Apologies: As the creator of the KS and Creative Director of Onyx Path, I made the apologies. It seems like you are mad at Holden and blaming me.

The art: No. That's not how I operate. I'm not going to indulge in "naming names". There were multiple problems and we dealt with them one by one. Publicly shaming the artists involved, particularly when some of them are working in a cultural environment where that sort of heavy use of reference is actively encouraged, would have made me as unprofessional and insensitive as they were.

Insulting your friends: Again, I have no idea what the issues are here.

Lying or not: The mods based that call on reviewing your verbiage in previous posts. Seems like this hurt you more than was intended, and for that I'm sorry.

[#][F] RichT - 4/19/2016
So you don't like that we made it clear that the Exalted forums were going to be expected to adhere to the same rules as the other forums?

What about the leak? Sorry, I'm not following you here from that brief line.

That was pretty ugly across the board, but you're mad at Onyx Path?

I'm going to condense a few of these into: you don't like how Holden posts. Let me get back to that at the end.

I've talked about regretting and I have apologized numerous times to the backers for how long this has taken.

How would you have preferred I handle the art issues besides doing what I did and getting them replaced?

The way I personally treated your friends in private? Sorry, but that's something you feel the need to bring up but not specify about, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

The moderators do an incredibly tough job and they have to make the best calls they can make day in and day out with multiple issues constantly being brought to their attention. But I'm not familiar with the specifics of your problem.

So back to a very important part about this: Onyx Path consists of three employees, myself, Mirthful Mike Chaney, and LisaT our office manager. We three are the only people that are not freelance creators, and there are limits to how much influence Onyx Path can exert over the personal communications of our freelancers. I can and do send out "tone it down" messages to our freelancers on occasion, and some folks wind up no longer working with us if they prove that they won't stop. Ultimately, those are my options: stern talking to, or firing from their contracted projects.

You clearly have big issues with how Holden communicates, and John too I'm guessing, and you feel as you feel as is your right. I understand, there have been a lot of bumps on the communication road. From my PoV, though, that's a learning process for them as they grow into the developer role. So, if you want to be offended at Onyx Path, or at me personally, for not firing them, then I guess you will be, because I did not fire them off of EX3.

[#][F] RichT - 4/19/2016
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post
I'm disappointed too. And way Onyx Path has behaved hasn't made me any happier.

But I try to be philosophical about it. Someone is starving to death as you read this, after all; it could be a lot worse.
Really, in what way has Onyx Path offended you?