So you don't like that we made it clear that the Exalted forums were going to be expected to adhere to the same rules as the other forums?
What about the leak? Sorry, I'm not following you here from that brief line.
That was pretty ugly across the board, but you're mad at Onyx Path?
I'm going to condense a few of these into: you don't like how Holden posts. Let me get back to that at the end.
I've talked about regretting and I have apologized numerous times to the backers for how long this has taken.
How would you have preferred I handle the art issues besides doing what I did and getting them replaced?
The way I personally treated your friends in private? Sorry, but that's something you feel the need to bring up but not specify about, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
The moderators do an incredibly tough job and they have to make the best calls they can make day in and day out with multiple issues constantly being brought to their attention. But I'm not familiar with the specifics of your problem.
So back to a very important part about this: Onyx Path consists of three employees, myself, Mirthful Mike Chaney, and LisaT our office manager. We three are the only people that are not freelance creators, and there are limits to how much influence Onyx Path can exert over the personal communications of our freelancers. I can and do send out "tone it down" messages to our freelancers on occasion, and some folks wind up no longer working with us if they prove that they won't stop. Ultimately, those are my options: stern talking to, or firing from their contracted projects.
You clearly have big issues with how Holden communicates, and John too I'm guessing, and you feel as you feel as is your right. I understand, there have been a lot of bumps on the communication road. From my PoV, though, that's a learning process for them as they grow into the developer role. So, if you want to be offended at Onyx Path, or at me personally, for not firing them, then I guess you will be, because I did not fire them off of EX3.
Originally posted by Sanctaphrax
I'm disappointed too. And way Onyx Path has behaved hasn't made me any happier.
But I try to be philosophical about it. Someone is starving to death as you read this, after all; it could be a lot worse.
Really, in what way has Onyx Path offended you?
Originally posted by batro
Cover is not final, I think. You need to wait until public release to see the real cover.
The discounted backer PoD is exactly the same as the PoD being released on Weds, and the cover is the image on my blog this week. Thanks!
Incredibly glad you and yours are OK, and hope you all can feel much safer soon. Be well.
Seriously. Don't worry about it. We'll be compiling a master list and pulling from all the various messages, none too big or too small for our purposes. And all appreciated- thanks!
Originally posted by TheCountAlucard
Yes, they're referring to a later image in the book, the part in the first chapter with the different spreads of Exalts; the section for Solars in particular is the one being referenced.
RichT: They're referring to the House Targaryen from A Song of Ice and Fire, (which are notable for trending toward fair skin and hair, and violet eyes), not an artist being plagiarized.
Yes, I'm well aware. Hence why that comment makes no sense. They were very much noted for white-blondes or silver haired w/violet eyes. When one wasn't it was a huge deal. These are two white/silver haired guys, a redhead (goes a bit brown with all the yellow/gold in there), a brown haired guy and a bald one. I'm good for the discussion of whether that particular piece should have spread its representation out more, but am calling out that Targaryen quip as not working.
That's a far more complicated and subjective thing than Holden's quick comments can really accurately comment on. There is a give and take to all creative endeavors, and the art director and artist relationship is particularly complicated. I'd be glad to expound on this at some point in the future, but considering the current strain of commentary here, I'd be a fool to go into it now. I did post Melissa's art notes for her pieces on some EX3 Updates a while back if you can dig those up on the KS site.
Originally posted by Exthalion
Regarding the FR elvish:
Above and to either side of the compass rose
Lock and Zoatham in the South both have a slightly modified letter, though it may be enough to fall outside of plagiarism
Below the big island with a circle around it in the dreaming sea
P. 63: Copy of the full map so all of the above
P. 95: Repeat of the South so repeat of the letters
P. 102: Repeat of the compass rose
Should I submit this to the kickstarter?
Originally posted by glamourweaver
I agree there's no racist intent, it's just unfortunate with a game that has prided itself on people of color being put front and center in a fantasy setting that that becomes less evident.
The image that actually bugged me the most was the Targaryen family portrait being used for Solars on pg 41.
Do you have an example where a Targaryens piece of art was ripped off for this?
One artist did not do one quarter of the artwork. That's simply not the case.
Originally posted by Gonzo
I don't think they will recomission, but I too think it would certainly be great if they did. It is very dissapointing that the art director had chosen artists and studios with so low quality and ethical standards, I still can't believe it. If it was a matter of costs, I think deviantart if full of good upstarting and affordable artists. Why this pile of garbage? Anyway, it would only take one sentence from the OP guys to have a bunch of guys and gals from this forum (who actually know the setting, care about the game, and are aware of racial diversity) to help them replace whatever art piece they need.
Your personal opinions on the art are yours to give, but stop the accusations and the attacks on the creators, please.
Originally posted by Stephen Lea Sheppard
Fair enough. Sorry for getting overeager, boss.
No problem. We're all pretty crazy excited by this!
Originally posted by Stephen Lea Sheppard
No, that'd be Maria. I will have no direct interaction with the text from here on out.
But I'm the book's editor. If anyone is going to compile a big list of fuckups I didn't catch, it should be me.
Except it's not. We appreciate the offer of help, SLS, but we have a system we have told the backers about. Please do not confuse things with any alternate plans. The "Contact Me" link on the KS page is still the only method we are using to compile errata.
Originally posted by Solar
I've read all those spoilers, which came out over a period of several years. I've read them all before, and I have no interest in taking time to re-read stuff that I already know and have found to be lacking in content. I don't think that it's anything close to the amount of material I'd like to see even as a baseline, and the continuing refusal of the devs to discuss mechanics at all beyond those few and far between KS updates mean that what I really want from Ex3, which is a mechanically balanced edition of Exalted, is not something that I've been shown at all by OP. It's essentially a case of "trust us." Well, you told us to trust you regarding when the game was coming out, and it didn't again and again and again, so...
That AMA mostly contained comments on the general tone for what the devs want to go for, which is interesting up to a point, but didn't actually touch on any mechanics or system structures at all. I like, and want, and enjoy, setting, art and layout previews. But the ongoing lack of real, substantial system information has been extremely frustrating to me. Essentially, reading the AMA made me feel like I had been told nothing of substance and just made me more aggravated that the PDF hasn't been released.
It's pretty clear that an RPG can provide previews in a manner that I'd like; other OP games have done this themselves! And other OP games have also presented more information, more frequently, and with more clarity. Other OP games have release dates! That we can't even get a release date for Ex3 while the page numbers are being updated is not good enough for me, sorry.
Holden and John have been consistent in saying that there was a limit to what they were comfortable releasing in terms of the "meaty" previews you are interested in. They stated their case during the KS, and all through these last two years. What other developers are comfortable with on their projects really doesn't have bearing on what these EX3 developers are comfortable with on their project.
In a similar way, I stopped with release date estimates quite a while ago because I was uncomfortable with the idea of deliberately promising something I could not be sure I could deliver on. We all have seen the results of the original project estimates and the first few times I tried to readjust those dates, Each and every time the complexities of this particular project blew the estimates right out of the water. So you get snapshot progress reports every week. Sometimes we see a stage being finished, and the vast majority of those weekly updates are as exciting as any creative process that takes an extended period- you are pretty much watching paint dry.
But you can see just where in the creation process the project is, which is the point. That snapshot is what I personally can give you weekly - not promises or woohoo, but an honest peek at where the project is at.
Eddy told you he was cutting and pasting the status because he had not received the new approval PDF being the CCP conduit that he is. So it wasn't just cut and paste, it was him him quoting last week's status because as far as he knew it was the same. And it is. Maria and Holden are still working on making sure the Page XXs are correct. Plans have already been laid for how the PDF will be sent to Eddy, and how we will follow up with CCP, and how we will prepare the backer PDFs. Knock off the accusations, please.