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[#][F] Eric Minton - 2/20/2013
Segev wrote:
Eric Minton wrote:
Segev wrote:
Gaius wrote:
If true, some people may need to adjust their definition of what it means to be Exalted. But I kinda like the idea of Exalted types given great power that, as a splat, are not assumed to shape the world on a Creation-wide scale.

See, that also bugs me. It's getting dangerously close to a bait-and-switch, or to making "Exaltation" a "mark of what we want to be a PC" rather than a meaningful statement of being mighty Chosen of [something] that are all, always, individually meaningful.
The notion that a hero's actions aren't meaningful unless they shape the world on a Creation-wide scale is unhealthy for the setting.

That's also not what I said.
I responded to your response to Gaius, as per what you just quoted above.

Segev wrote:
Please, please tell me that, while all Exalted are heroes, not all heroes need be Exalted in 3E. c_c
Not all heroes need be Exalted in 3e. What leads you to think otherwise?

[#][F] Stephen Lea Sheppard - 2/20/2013
The other day I was thinking about the Heaven issue and the answer I came up with was "If the US is so powerful and President Obama is the leader of the US, why can't he just mobilize all of the US's public and private resources to fix hunger in the Third World?"

The answer is "That's not how it works."

[#][F] Stephen Lea Sheppard - 2/20/2013
Yeah, basically the Infernals -- though conceptually flawed in ways we can now address directly -- were the late 2nd edition runaway hit that re-energized the fanbase and drummed up enough interest to make the Ink Monkeys supplements the later runaway hits that permitted 3rd edition, while the Alchemicals were the early 1st edition Sixth Ranger Exalts that have retained a massive fan-following since their introduction. The question "How well will new Exalts work?" is answered with "Historically? Very well."

[#][F] Stephen Lea Sheppard - 2/20/2013
Segev wrote:
...conspiracy theory time...
What if CCP is pressing for this so they have options for MMO PCs other than "dragonblooded?" Alchemicals are largely unreachable for the setting, and the 700 Celestials would represent too small a player base to be worthwhile.

Nah.

[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
Mostlyjoe wrote:
Synapse wrote:
That inference you made is completely baseless. The only thing it says is that there will be a KS.


emotion-8.gif I asked him for the name, he said "Some with the KS, others with the Core, and more later." Where did you? Ooookaaaaay.


To be clear, we plan on popping a new Exalt type in the Kickstarter.

[#][F] Holden - 2/20/2013
John Mørke wrote:
notthepenguins wrote:
John Mørke wrote:
Epimetheus wrote:
Segev wrote:
I admit that this new flood of additional Exalt types has me leery. It feels...forced, or like the kind of thing one sees in fanfic. I know this isn't fanfic, and I hope it's an incredibly unfair instinct, as I respect the writers of this line more than that, but it keeps bumping my "spidey sense" the wrong way, if that makes any sense.

Trust me I get the same feeling. So long as we can ignore them and they remain periphery I'll be fine with them myself.


I recall a lot of posts where you were not OK about the Sidereals being ignored at the periphery.

What does that have to do with the new Exalt types being able to be ignored without problem?


The point is that the mistreatment of Sidereals was miserable for fans of Sidereals. There will also be fans of the new Exalts. The presumption in his post (and Segev's, and yours) is that there won't be.


This. We are not planning around an assumption of failure.

[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
notthepenguins wrote:
John Mørke wrote:
Epimetheus wrote:
Segev wrote:
I admit that this new flood of additional Exalt types has me leery. It feels...forced, or like the kind of thing one sees in fanfic. I know this isn't fanfic, and I hope it's an incredibly unfair instinct, as I respect the writers of this line more than that, but it keeps bumping my "spidey sense" the wrong way, if that makes any sense.

Trust me I get the same feeling. So long as we can ignore them and they remain periphery I'll be fine with them myself.


I recall a lot of posts where you were not OK about the Sidereals being ignored at the periphery.

What does that have to do with the new Exalt types being able to be ignored without problem?


The point is that the mistreatment of Sidereals was miserable for fans of Sidereals. There will also be fans of the new Exalts. The presumption in his post (and Segev's, and yours) is that there won't be.

You can ignore Solars if you want. If you ask that I make them peripheral so it's easier for you to ignore them, I laugh in your face.

[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
Mostlyjoe wrote:
John Mørke wrote:

Some with the Kickstarter, others with the corebook, some in future releases.






Okay. Will the "Universal" be shown during the KS though?


I can't say what will be in the KS.

[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
Epimetheus wrote:
Segev wrote:
I admit that this new flood of additional Exalt types has me leery. It feels...forced, or like the kind of thing one sees in fanfic. I know this isn't fanfic, and I hope it's an incredibly unfair instinct, as I respect the writers of this line more than that, but it keeps bumping my "spidey sense" the wrong way, if that makes any sense.

Trust me I get the same feeling. So long as we can ignore them and they remain periphery I'll be fine with them myself.


I recall a lot of posts where you were not OK about the Sidereals being ignored at the periphery.

[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
Mostlyjoe wrote:
John Mørke wrote:
If you think the Sidereal/Lunar conflict sounds awesome, wait until we mix in the new Chosen.






John, since we are on the painful side of the wait for the kickstarter I'm going to politely ask this:

May we please have their name?


Some with the Kickstarter, others with the corebook, some in future releases.



[#][F] Eric Minton - 2/20/2013
Segev wrote:
Gaius wrote:
If true, some people may need to adjust their definition of what it means to be Exalted. But I kinda like the idea of Exalted types given great power that, as a splat, are not assumed to shape the world on a Creation-wide scale.

See, that also bugs me. It's getting dangerously close to a bait-and-switch, or to making "Exaltation" a "mark of what we want to be a PC" rather than a meaningful statement of being mighty Chosen of [something] that are all, always, individually meaningful.
The notion that a hero's actions aren't meaningful unless they shape the world on a Creation-wide scale is unhealthy for the setting.

[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
If you think the Sidereal/Lunar conflict sounds awesome, wait until we mix in the new Chosen.



[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
MissMaddy wrote:
John Mørke wrote:
If a Dragon-Blooded wants into Yu-Shan, he needs a proper sponsor. If the powers that be find the idea of errant Dragon-Blooded distasteful, there's going to be an uproar if you march a bunch of beastmen into the city, to the tune of ten thousand thousand gods throwing explosive cloud furniture and adamant lingerie. Janitorial spirits are going to be mopping up your horde for weeks.


Side note, I hope that Beastmen Hordes are not the sum total of Lunar military combat philosophy anymore.

Or even really a key focus.

A few Lunars having Beastmen hordes? Fine and dandy ; particularly if that trait kinda defines them and the way they look at the world, like Ma Ha Suchi.

... but it being the end-all-be-all of Lunar military theory?

Not only was it kinda stupid, it made those that DID take this hugely extreme form of exotic warfare less special. In effect, what's Ma-Ha's real unique plan if... it's the same plan everybody else has?





Beastman horde isn't any different from human horde, except that a cowman army has butter wherever it goes. I can't believe it's not better. (snerk)



[#][F] John Mørke - 2/20/2013
If a Dragon-Blooded wants into Yu-Shan, he needs a proper sponsor. If the powers that be find the idea of errant Dragon-Blooded distasteful, there's going to be an uproar if you march a bunch of beastmen into the city, to the tune of ten thousand thousand gods throwing explosive cloud furniture and adamant lingerie. Janitorial spirits are going to be mopping up your horde for weeks.

[#][F] Holden - 2/20/2013
Raziere wrote:
Holden wrote:


If you're looking to go stir up trouble in Heaven, an army is just about the last thing in the world you want to try to bring with you, considering that every single known means of entry is a natural choke point that makes Thermopylae Pass look like the open plains of the Serengeti, and that once the alarm goes up, you're going to be feeding mortals with wolf-heads single-file into a fight with, first, a Celestial Lion, and then a few minutes later, once his backup arrives, a lesser elemental dragon.

If you're smarter, and just go in by yourself, then probably the last place you want to pick to perform your assassinations is the building full of people who can see the future.


uh yeah um…..

about that….

what if…..hypothetically…..

Estasia opened a portal to the middle of the air in Yu-Shan…and began invading with ships and troops dropping from said ships, and Alchemicals going through the portals? with y'know, that high-essence charm Alchemicals use
to breach the Seal of Eight Divinities?

just curious as to how that would work out.


What does this have to do with this thread?